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Post by ♫MysteriousMan♫ on Sept 4, 2003 20:35:32 GMT -5
I'm not the one that started the Bible shit, other people did, so I just added that since they are going down that road, I might as well show them that their source goes both ways on the subject.
I honestly don't care about the religion area of the gay argument. As I said earlier, I'm not really sure what we should do, because the way I see it, either way they will be a part of our society. However, I do feel that if gays are given equal rights as straights, Christianity will be screwed, politics will go to shit, America will suck. Everything will change, and it won't be good for straights. If we just ignore them and say, i dont give a fuck what other people do, then when your little son or daughter is growing up, your gonna have to describe to them that some people like men, some people like women. kids will be more open to this gay lifestyle, and more people will become gay. I dont know about you, but if your straight and 'dont give a fuck about gays' ill just wait until your son goes gay and see if you care about gays then.
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Post by scott on Sept 4, 2003 20:42:28 GMT -5
The Bible was written by man,but every chapter in it was inspired by God.
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Post by ♫MysteriousMan♫ on Sept 4, 2003 20:53:52 GMT -5
true, but crazy bums claim to be inspired by God, so how far does 'inspiration' go?  |
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Sept 4, 2003 21:26:35 GMT -5
The only thing gay people are a threat to is another gay man's asshole. The only politics that would be jeopardized are George W. Bush politics, because he's just a conservative bigot dickhead who thinks yellowcake is a type of dessert. Straights have nothing to worry about. There will be no Gay Coup D'etats in America. And would you actually forsake your own child because of their sexual preference? Doesn't sound very parental to me.
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Post by scott on Sept 4, 2003 21:41:20 GMT -5
And would you actually forsake your own child because of their sexual preference? Doesn't sound very parental to me. It isn't.Some people on just set on that it is wrong.I think gay sex is wrong,but just being gay is not wrong. |
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Post by TheSilentDemon on Sept 4, 2003 21:43:20 GMT -5
Dammit, I know as soon as I posted that, someone was gonna ask me to post what verse, and I know it's gonna sound really really bad, but I don't have it. I asked my morality teacher last year if homosexuality is wrong or right, and what the Bible says about it. He showed me a passage that was in the Old Testament, I would say about a little past half way in the book. It said something close to "and after the festivities the men prayed to God and afterwards became intimate." and it goes on to say that this was not a sin, and God didn't punish them or tell them it was wrong. It was bassically saying that these men had sex and God was ok with it. I'm so damn sorry I don't have the verse number. But I will try to ask him about it next time i see him. ok let me hit u with this bit of information right here that mr. loevland hit me with, and i know some of u hate this guy but 9 times out of 10 he knew what he was talking about and this does make sence. asked him a question about cirumsition. and how it was performed in the old testiment and not in the new and he said the the old testament was like a book of laws and storys almost and the new testament was a revision of all those laws, so eveyrthing in the new is valid unless of course you are jewish, in that case the new testiment holds no grounds with u. |
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Post by Sarien on Sept 4, 2003 22:36:26 GMT -5
oi, now it's turned into a religious debate. That's when I graciously step out.  But before I leave...would you really forsake your child because he/she likes people of the same gender. Like Seiryuken said before, that's not good parenting. Of course you'll have to explain to him that Mr. and Mr. Smith next door are married and about the birds and the bees. Things change times change. You can't keep your child sheltered forever. There are worse things out there then love (which is a beautiful thing) that just happens to be with two females or two males. We all have free will (however we might have been granted that) and choose to do what we want with it, whether to kill somebody or to become the next Mother Teresa. Finding your one true love...or person that you love a lot (for all you non romantics) is a wonderful thing. Nobody should be denied the right to love who they want or even be chastised/ridiculed for it. Of course, this isn't a perfect world. We still haven't truely erased the color lines, no matter how much we say we have (to me the "n" word shouldn't be used period and I'm black...sort of). My final word (since I said I will back out). Right and Wrong are relative terms, just like big and small. As I said, we all are unique humans and have our own beliefs. However, you don't have the right to surpress another person or prosecute them for beliving a certain thing. If you have a problem with it, then just don't act upon those beliefs. Remember the lynchings of blacks less then a century ago? I doubt things will get that far, especially with today's generation of children being more libral and accepting. Though the stereotypes that are shown on t.v. today aren't helping much.  |
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Post by ♫MysteriousMan♫ on Sept 5, 2003 13:48:09 GMT -5
You guys are putting words in my mouth. I never said I would forsaken my child because of their sexual preference, all I said was that wouldn't it be ironic if you don't like gay people and you spend your whole life ignoring them and saying you dont care about them, and one day your own son or daughter becomes one. I was just saying that if you don't care about something maybe you should because those people usually dont care until it directly affects them. I know I would be upset as hell if i spent all my life protesting something and then society shows my son/daughter an alternative and they choose it. It would be terrible to work so hard and putting so much energy into your belief and all of your efforts are wasted by society' influence. Thats all
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Post by Brian on Sept 5, 2003 14:01:27 GMT -5
well, you know what really bothers me? its that even though i'm catholic, i can't stand the way that the catholic church discriminates against gay people and against the way that they are. i, myself, actually believe that some gay people are born with it. i've heard people all the time say that they wish they weren't like that. that my friends, is what God made them like that for, convictions. i mean, people receive their own convictions whenever we do something bad, or maybe we will get made fun of for something, but thats how we are convicted of who we are, and what we are, and what God wants us to be.
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Post by ♫MysteriousMan♫ on Sept 5, 2003 14:12:59 GMT -5
Thats true and all about convictions. However, I have never heard a homosexual or bisexual person say they don't want to be the way they are. I don't believe they are born with it, but I do believe it could start out early stemming from an experience or how they were brought up. If a gay person was harassed to the point that they would rather turn straight than go through any more pain, then what stops them from doing it? I just don't understand how you can be "born" with homosexuallity in you. I'm pretty sure you have to learn about it and experience it and say thats what i wanna be.
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Post by TheSilentDemon on Sept 5, 2003 15:15:02 GMT -5
well, you know what really bothers me? its that even though i'm catholic, i can't stand the way that the catholic church discriminates against gay people and against the way that they are. i, myself, actually believe that some gay people are born with it. i've heard people all the time say that they wish they weren't like that. that my friends, is what God made them like that for, convictions. i mean, people receive their own convictions whenever we do something bad, or maybe we will get made fun of for something, but thats how we are convicted of who we are, and what we are, and what God wants us to be. i'm right with u on the whole catholic church being dumbshits when it comes to homosexuality. being a Catholic i was taught to accept people for who they are and not to shun them away or treat them differently just because they may in fact be different. a good movie to watch about this is chasing amy. its a great point of view from someone who is straight and someone who is gay. its a good flick besides being somewhat educational |
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Post by scott on Sept 5, 2003 15:24:44 GMT -5
Yes,good movie and a funny one.
I think the Catholic churchneeds to practice what they preach and take in everyone,reguardless of if they are gay.Jesus would have taken them in,so should we.
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Post by Wilshire on Sept 5, 2003 16:02:18 GMT -5
For all you Catholics (and non-Catholics or christians i suppose) here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says on homosexuality: "...It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychiological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do NOT PROCEED FROM A GENUINE AFFECTIVE AND SEXUAL COMPLEMENTARITY. Under no circumstances can they be approved." (2357) Then it goes on to say more. But the point it makes is that homosexuality is NOT normal, b/c we all know good and well that women are for men and men for women  . Homosexuals within the Church are said to be treated with respect, even though their sexual orientation is disordered. So next time you slam on the Catholic church, keep in mind that its not opposed to gays as people (b/c it accepts all people) but against homosexuality in its essence. |
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Post by Wilshire on Sept 5, 2003 16:07:44 GMT -5
It isn't.Some people on just set on that it is wrong.I think gay sex is wrong,but just being gay is not wrong.
Partly what u said is right Scott. Gay sex is definitely wrong. But i disagree on the fact that being gay is not wrong, b/c it is, but its not as bad as having gay sex. The Catechism also says that even homosexuals must be chaste, entirely, b/c they are supposed to be chaste outside of marriage and since gays can't be "married" they must be chaste in their "married" state as well.
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Post by Vash on Sept 5, 2003 16:09:31 GMT -5
Man, this has been the most serious discussion we've had since I started this board but, what it all boils down to is this, people are going to do what they want to do no matter what other people think about them, me personally I'm not gay but I'm not going to look down on someone because they are. It really all comes down to your own descision and it's up to you to make it, gay or straight it's all up to you ,and if you ask me these people walking around saying stuff making fun of the homosexuality they are the ones who are wrong and thats pretty much my opinion.
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