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Post by TheSilentDemon on Sept 3, 2003 21:54:32 GMT -5
wilshire does make a point about God free will and all. being a catholic i can see that
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Post by Miqorz on Sept 3, 2003 21:54:40 GMT -5
I do NOT support abortion.. I am very PRO life...
I only believe in SPECIAL circumstances where abortion should be allowed.. such as rape.
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Post by scott on Sept 3, 2003 21:56:19 GMT -5
Yes being gay is fine.I know a few gay people and they are totally cool,and I feel bad when they get made fun of,it is not right.It is not alwaysa choice,but it can be.
And I too agree abortion is wrong,it is so wrong.
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Post by Sarien on Sept 3, 2003 22:00:16 GMT -5
As I said, I'm not religous (for a reason), so your train of thought is beyond me. As I said, there is currently an anti-bisexual campaign by the Catholic Church so I guess that's their views. I'm guessing your against bisexuality/homosexuality [naw, ya think]. But what about other religions? Let's bring it back several thousand years when they worshipped many different gods. The greeks belived in humanism, the belief that man was perfect [gods created man in their image]. Oi, I sound like my psych teacher. Anywho, aany of them were gay...
To me, what people do is their own buisness. God is supposed to have given us free will. People do good and bad things with it. I respect people's privacy and freedom of expression (love is a form of expression)...my thoughts are a bit jumbled.
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Post by Wilshire on Sept 3, 2003 22:01:34 GMT -5
Abortion can't be good under any circumstances. If a woman is raped, does that justify the taking of life? I think not.
And as i said before, i am not against gays as individual people, i only believe that they are seriously mistaken (b/c i believe homosexuality is a choice made by a person despite the circumstances of their childhood surroundings). I agree that there are bad people who take this to an extreme and harm gays simply b/c of their choice, which isn't right at all. But i am against the media promoting homosexuality.
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Post by Wilshire on Sept 3, 2003 22:05:25 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that people have been gay since early history, the point is that it has never been viewed as right no matter what civilization. It was never promoted by any culture, except ours today, which is (again, yes im sorry) the media's fault. Things can be proven true if they are repeated again and again in history, so the fact that homosexuality was never promoted by ancient cultures is strong support for the argument im presenting.
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Post by Sarien on Sept 3, 2003 22:08:21 GMT -5
Health class actually comes in handy. Fetuses don't become sentinent for 15 or so days after fertilization. Are we considered humans because we think and feel? What about if there is an immediate abortion.
[abortion should be started in another thread but...]
I'm pro-choice. It should be the woman's right to choose seeing as she's the one concieving (sp). I don't have anything to back it up (brain too tired). It's just what I feel is right. Another thing. Damn you people and your fast typing!
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Post by TheSilentDemon on Sept 3, 2003 22:09:43 GMT -5
i think that what sarien and wilshire are saying is both correct from a certain point of view. yes i am roman catholic, but no that does not mean that i believe in everything that the church has to say about every faction of life. i don't believe what they are doing aobut bi sexuals is right. think that they have way to many beefs with way too many people. for instance they excomunicated this monk because he had different views about mary. i mean they let priests run around chasing little boys but they excomunicate a monk for beliefs on mary. i think they need to sort out their prioitys
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Post by scott on Sept 3, 2003 22:10:07 GMT -5
People should only be having sex if they are married so there should be no reason for an abortion in the first place.
And it is just wrong.Taking away a life,or a soon to be life is wrong.
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Post by Wilshire on Sept 3, 2003 22:10:58 GMT -5
lol it comes with practice i assure you. But fyi, babies are fully formed in only a matter of weeks (i forget the exact number) after fertilization, and they are sentient. So abortions taht aren't immediate are murder. But what are immediate abortions then if they are directly preventing life, but even as its beginning.
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Post by Sarien on Sept 3, 2003 22:12:18 GMT -5
It was never proven as wrong either (though I don't belive anybody has the right to define it as right or wrong since we are all unique beings with our own beliefs). Why should homosexuality have been promoted in any culture. As you said, humans were given freedom of will.
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Post by TheSilentDemon on Sept 3, 2003 22:16:58 GMT -5
It was never proven as wrong either (though I don't belive anybody has the right to define it as right or wrong since we are all unique beings with our own beliefs). Why should homosexuality have been promoted in any culture. As you said, humans were given freedom of will. i'm not sure i understand. sorry i'm just really infiriated right now and i can't think straight |
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Sept 3, 2003 22:19:11 GMT -5
Just because something is repeated, it does not make it right. Every culture has repeated war. Does that make war right? You're obviously full of shit if you say war is right just to prove a point against gays.
And yes, flame me all you want, but I am in support of abortion. You may say abortion allows people to be irresponsible and have all the sex they want with no responsibility, but there is no possible way you can make people be responsible. We're just too stupid. But if you let that baby live, what happens to it? The parents have an unwanted child. Ya know what happens? Neglect. Abuse. Mistreatment. Molestation. These kids who never feel the love of their parents grow up to become seriously fucked up, and will usually pass on what they learned from their parents to other people. That's where you get rapists. That's where you get murderers. Spouse abusers. Drug users. Adolf Hitler. If little Adolf had grown up in a love-filled environment, 40 million people wouldn't have died. Now that is saving lives.
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Post by Sarien on Sept 3, 2003 22:27:16 GMT -5
lol it comes with practice i assure you. But fyi, babies are fully formed in only a matter of weeks (i forget the exact number) after fertilization, and they are sentient. So abortions taht aren't immediate are murder. But what are immediate abortions then if they are directly preventing life, but even as its beginning. I can point you out to a book to back me up. I did a report on stem cell research last year for Bio (the teacher gave me the hardest topic). According to my very skimpy notes, they become sentinent after 28 days. "Espejo, Roman. Human embryo experimentation. Detroit: Greenhaven Press, 2002. 79pgs." --Cut and paste is my friend--- To Demon, I don't understand how my brain works sometimes. -__- To Seiryuken, preach it brotha... *tear* I'm so proud of the board. So much participation and passion. edited: I type slow...grr.... |
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Sept 3, 2003 22:34:12 GMT -5
Thank you ^_^
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