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Post by Wilshire on Jan 24, 2004 20:46:25 GMT -5
It's illogical and stupid to think that guns could ever create any form of peace. They can only destroy it. What about in the military? The truth is that conflict preserves the relative peace we enjoy. There is never true peace anywhere, and there never will be. But wars and small continual conflicts usually bring about relative peace. Its strange in that violence can stop more violence, but thats been the nature of things since the first cavemen went to war with eachother.
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Post by Wilshire on Jan 24, 2004 20:58:21 GMT -5
Have any of you Bush supporters ever heard the term "sheeple"? Gullible patriotic jackasses that believe everything they hear and obey every order they recieve from their dishonest government? The truth is, you don't believe the Bush Administration has been dishonest to you because you don't want to believe that it has. Not once in these past four years have you even questioned the actions, or further more, the motives behind the man's political actions. I'm a retard when it comes to politics, you say? Is that the label you bestow upon everyone who doesn't have their head lodged deep in their own ass? Do you know why Michael Moore doesn't like Bush? It's because he's willing to question authority. Every administration is dishonest. But they aren't dishonest about everything. Just because I am patriotic doesn't mean I obey orders from the government. Being a patriot means standing up for your country, taking pride in it, and serving it. Apparently you believe that patriots are gullible jackasses. I guess the Revolutionary War was fought by gullible jackasses like George Washington. I believe what I believe because I have a reason to believe it. To what extent should we question authority? Where do we stop? We believe everything, or nothing, or we pick and chose what to believe from the sources or information that are available to us. Questioning authority isn't something special.
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Post by Wilshire on Jan 24, 2004 21:03:53 GMT -5
And one other thing. I don't think communism is bad because i've been told that. I think it is because its been bad in every historical example. Communism is an ideal, and has never existed like it is in the communist manifesto. It never will either.
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Post by Wilshire on Jan 24, 2004 21:16:09 GMT -5
There is more to say, but what am i thinking? you already know it all, Wilshire, since you're all open minded and all and dont hold any prejudices against people and you dont generalize and label people in certain groups when that notion is non-existant. Know before you speak. what are you talking about
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Post by William on Jan 24, 2004 23:42:38 GMT -5
Have any of you Bush supporters ever heard the term "sheeple"? Gullible patriotic jackasses that believe everything they hear and obey every order they recieve from their dishonest government? The truth is, you don't believe the Bush Administration has been dishonest to you because you don't want to believe that it has. Sorry to damage your fragile conscience, but you'll just have to accept that. Not once in these past four years have you even questioned the actions, or further more, the motives behind the man's political actions. I'm a retard when it comes to politics, you say? Is that the label you bestow upon everyone who doesn't have their head lodged deep in their own ass? Do you know why Michael Moore doesn't like Bush? It's because he's willing to question authority. And you label him as a dirty commie, not even knowing what you're talking about. You think communism is an evil system because that's what you've been told to think. What evil is there in a system that preaches equality? Yes, the government owns everything. But why should you have a problem with that, seeing as how you love your government enough to believe everything it throws at you? But how can you call his movies propaganda if they're telling you to think for yourself? Moore is simply providing the facts, and letting you decide what you think of them. And then what's wrong with taking away our arms? Only a small percentage of in-home murders are from actual burglars. Most of them are family members killing eachother, because they were pissed off or drunk at the time they had access to a gun. It's illogical and stupid to think that guns could ever create any form of peace. They can only destroy it. I know await your uneducated replies. Feel free to call me a fag lover, a dirty commie, or liberal idiot, whatever makes you feel better about having been lied to. you'd better hope your not implying this to me...
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Post by William on Jan 24, 2004 23:44:16 GMT -5
What about in the military? The truth is that conflict preserves the relative peace we enjoy. There is never true peace anywhere, and there never will be. But wars and small continual conflicts usually bring about relative peace. Its strange in that violence can stop more violence, but thats been the nature of things since the first cavemen went to war with eachother. what about the military...it stands as the opposition of peace...fighting does not maintain peace...fighting is a disruption from the current to a violence so that we can have a temporarial peace afterward...if we had no guns...there would be more peace...if we had more bob marley...there would be more peace...if we had more morphine pumped into us while we slept...there would be more peace...there can be peace...its just not too healthy if given in direct dosages...
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Post by scott on Jan 24, 2004 23:50:49 GMT -5
Its the same bullshit you hear all over the news coming from plenty of politicians. Why do I need to hear it twice? Sounds like what everyone says that HASN'T seen the movie. Ugh,it wasa good movie,you should rent it sometime.
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Post by William on Jan 24, 2004 23:56:04 GMT -5
Sounds like what everyone says that HASN'T seen the movie. Ugh,it wasa good movie,you should rent it sometime. it was a great movie...although he had no point...what was his final conclusion? "people hate me, canada rules, people bowl then kill people, guns are easy to get...and i have black hair...ooh ooh...and i dont have any conclusion to violence and guns"
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Post by scott on Jan 25, 2004 0:00:42 GMT -5
it was a great movie...although he had no point...what was his final conclusion? "people hate me, canada rules, people bowl then kill people, guns are easy to get...and i have black hair...ooh ooh...and i dont have any conclusion to violence and guns" I think the conclusion was just to make people think,he didn't really come to one final point that I can think of. EDIT:Has anyone read Dude Where's My Country?I heard good things... And Wilshire you don't need to post five times in a row.
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Jan 25, 2004 0:48:59 GMT -5
Don't worry William, you're alright. I was mainly lashing out at Wilshire and the like. You at least use your head.
Now where was I? Ah yes, you and your founding fathers. You do realize The Bill of Rights was written by wealthy, sexist slaveowners like George Washington, right? The fact is, that document is not only over 200 years old, but was written directly after a long, bloody war, when violence was engraved in the minds of the American people. Tell me, how much can a document like The Bill of Rights apply today if it "accidentally forgot" to include tiny things like freeing slaves or allowing women to vote? Fact of the matter is, your proud American ideals are nothing but outdated bullshit, their authors greedy, despicable hypocrites. All men are created equal, except for females, negroes, Indians, and the poor, right? It is absolutely and completely inarguable that those men were totally and utterly full of shit.
And have you put any thought into why Communism hasn't worked? It's because they've tried it in the wrong countries. Communism is a system that relies heavily on agriculture and self sustenance, and if you think about the frozen desert that is Russia, they really couldn't have chosen a crappier setting. It also takes a lot of money to make it work, in order to fund all of the government programs. Do you know of any countries in the world that have a big farming industry and lots of money? Hmmmm, sounds kind of like....but it can't be.....America. America is the richest country in the world, and we have enough land and resources to feed the entire world population with the amount of food we produce. We just choose not to feed the world because it's not good for profit. I'll say it straight out now; America is the perfect country, the only country, for Communism to work. But we have too much pride to ever adopt the system that we've killed hundreds of thousands in order to defeat. But really, name one good reason why America shouldn't pull a Switzerland and just declare neutrality, and avoid a future of endless war? Not all of us thrive on hatred, after all. Let's throw down our weapons and call it quits, people. Can I get an Amen?
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Post by William on Jan 25, 2004 1:43:20 GMT -5
Don't worry William, you're alright. I was mainly lashing out at Wilshire and the like. You at least use your head. Now where was I? Ah yes, you and your founding fathers. You do realize The Bill of Rights was written by wealthy, sexist slaveowners like George Washington, right? The fact is, that document is not only over 200 years old, but was written directly after a long, bloody war, when violence was engraved in the minds of the American people. Tell me, how much can a document like The Bill of Rights apply today if it "accidentally forgot" to include tiny things like freeing slaves or allowing women to vote? Fact of the matter is, your proud American ideals are nothing but outdated bullshit, their authors greedy, despicable hypocrites. All men are created equal, except for females, negroes, Indians, and the poor, right? It is absolutely and completely inarguable that those men were totally and utterly full of shit. And have you put any thought into why Communism hasn't worked? It's because they've tried it in the wrong countries. Communism is a system that relies heavily on agriculture and self sustenance, and if you think about the frozen desert that is Russia, they really couldn't have chosen a crappier setting. It also takes a lot of money to make it work, in order to fund all of the government programs. Do you know of any countries in the world that have a big farming industry and lots of money? Hmmmm, sounds kind of like....but it can't be.....America. America is the richest country in the world, and we have enough land and resources to feed the entire world population with the amount of food we produce. We just choose not to feed the world because it's not good for profit. I'll say it straight out now; America is the perfect country, the only country, for Communism to work. But we have too much pride to ever adopt the system that we've killed hundreds of thousands in order to defeat. But really, name one good reason why America shouldn't pull a Switzerland and just declare neutrality, and avoid a future of endless war? Not all of us thrive on hatred, after all. Let's throw down our weapons and call it quits, people. Can I get an Amen? communism...why has it not worked...well...heres one reason...some gay pervert goes and buys him a male prostitute...well he can keep it to himself...i dont want him sharing that with me... seriously...its because of humans...marxism is ideal...communism is almost practical...democracy is low maitenence...
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 25, 2004 2:05:22 GMT -5
i just believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. that's what it says clearly in the bible, and i believe the bible. i mean no offense to any christians but.. i never liked ppl who say that this is wrong because the bible told them it was wrong. It's like if the bible wasn't ever written would you still think all these things were wrong? I'm not a big fan of religion because in my opinion it doesn't allow ppl to formulate their own thoughts and opinios, they just say blah blah because that's what the bible say.
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Post by scott on Jan 25, 2004 10:28:46 GMT -5
Not all of us thrive on hatred, after all. Let's throw down our weapons and call it quits, people. Can I get an Amen? Amen brother.War is worthless,it will just lead to another war and that will lead to another and so on.There's no glory in a war. I'm not buying,no I'm not consuming,what we need right now is love. Now I await for Wilshire's responce...
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Post by Swanny on Jan 25, 2004 11:38:36 GMT -5
six switch put it best when he said that mm wasn't trying to answer and questions...just provoke them. he wanted to get the viewers thinking and let them have their own conclusion instead of shoving his opinions down there throat.
there was a great quote i learned in eng. team. someone asked albert einstein what WW3 would be like...he answered "I don't know with which weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and bones"
amazing thought
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Post by unojuno on Jan 25, 2004 11:45:40 GMT -5
what are you talking about Let me put it in more simple terms. You shouldnt label Michael Moore as a communist unless you know first hand what he does. You also should make decisions on your own, not what is told to you. You should not just listen to your parents telling you Communism is bad, but respect their views and look further into why they think so. I was not saying that the US, or any nation should strive towards Communism. You are right, it is very idealistic. But there are things that we may do to our nation that may be viewed as "cummunist." One example would be my signature: "They point out and bring to the front the common intrests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality...they always and everywhere represent the intrests of the movement as a whole." Remove yourself from sociatial castes of race and wealth. Find all problems in the nation, or world, and work together to solve them. Biases should be witheld. Before you say it's propaganda, you should know what the hell he's saying in the first place, and know it firsthand. For all of you: COMMUNISM HAS NOT TRULY TAKEN PLACE. yes, that's right. At lest the way Karl Marx intended. Look at every nation that has become communist. What kind of economic status were they in? Ahhh... right. Poverty. The majority of the people were peasants. Russia, China, Cuba, just to name a few. There was little money circulating. Personally, i dont believe in Communism in full; the ideals and all. If you read more by Karl Marx, Communism is a temporary state where the government only truly exists for a temporary amount of time. That government makes sure all are equal and such, and once that is fufilled, it backs off. Problem is, no one wants to back off. And for all of you wanting to use Stalin as an example, Stalin was not a Communist nor did he like communism. He used it to get power really. But you should all leave Communism out of the discussion because none of you seem to be giving any info about the topic except what society and media tells you. I urge you all to read more. That doesnt mean that you have to read the communist manifesto or das Capital. But you should read different works from different people. Some radical Conservatives, some from insaine liberals, and more from moderates. To know all sides of the arguement is the best arguement. Yes, i have read "Dude, where's my country?" Also, what i got out of Bowling for Columbine was that we live in a violent culture. He doesnt hate guns, nor does he want to limit who has guns. He feels that people should be smart where they store them and what they do with them. Society is the problem, not the gun. It's like a steak knife (Mr. Matt HIll has used this example). A steak knife's purpose is to cut steak, right? So if a man takes that knife and stabs another person, is the knife at fault? SHould no one be allowed to posess a steak knife because of that man? No. We have to supress violent tendancies. Swanny is right, Michael moore doesnt really answer questions but provoke thought. It is up to the individual to decide. Also, (as a side note since some people were talking about peace) if you study taoism (and strictly taoism), reaching complete good or complete evil is impossible. That is the meaning of the yin yang. Not primarily that there is a little evil in good and a little good in evil. The way of the tao is that if you stive towards good, you will fail and your end result will be the opposite. The same with striving towards evil. Of course this does not mean that we should stop all effort towards everying. We can make things better for a common good, but strictly discussing taoism you should improve but also be one with the natural flow.... That's what i've gotten out of it at least. I'm still reading alot of toaist books...I'll get back to you. Right. i think i answered alot of things. Give me some feed back.
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