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Post by scott on Dec 5, 2003 11:30:20 GMT -5
In a perfect world there would be no sex before marriage,and then there would be no need to kill babies.
If only this was true...Just wait people!
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Post by Eskimo on Dec 5, 2003 19:55:37 GMT -5
waiting...
waiting...
still waiting...
screw it, 'The Real World' is on ;D
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Post by Wilshire on Dec 5, 2003 21:36:51 GMT -5
abortions don't necessarily always occur outside of (prior to) marriage. I believe abortion any time is wrong.
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Post by SockRocker on Dec 5, 2003 22:09:02 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]well, i think abortion is morally wrong, but i can understand if the woman is raped....i mean, what person would want to have a criminals baby? i think she'd be totally mortified of the idea....[/glow]
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Post by William on Dec 6, 2003 0:02:49 GMT -5
but is mortified worse than dead? really...ask anyone...if they would rather have been aborted or have lived their life...
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Post by scott on Dec 6, 2003 10:37:29 GMT -5
abortions don't necessarily always occur outside of (prior to) marriage. I believe abortion any time is wrong. Yes,I agree,but that is when most of them occur.And I agree,it is always wrong no matter what. |
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Post by SockRocker on Dec 6, 2003 14:19:58 GMT -5
but is mortified worse than dead? really...ask anyone...if they would rather have been aborted or have lived their life... [glow=blue,2,300]the kids that are put up for adoption because of rape often don't love life that much....they think its too much of a pain to have to live through it all....[/glow] |
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Post by Sarien on Dec 7, 2003 1:45:53 GMT -5
*tear* My pc froze when I was about to send the reply. *kicks it* I can't remember half of what I wrote, and it was one of my longer replies. It's depressing writing things for the second time. So don't bitch if this doesn't sound inspired or is short.
William: The links were lost. I really don't feel like wading through a sea of crap to look for the good ones. If you're up to it, try ask.com. It had more stuff then google. Sorry.
Eskimo: The 5th Commandment? About fearing god, not killing people, and so forth? Hmm...seeing as I'm not Christian or even Catholic....maybe not. Yes, I believe killing people is wrong in most cases. Don't twist my words, I said in most cases. As for your hypothetical case...I really doubt that it won't leave a mark. Most recipients of abuse have intense physical and psychological trauma, suicidal even. And we're humans so while we all have our own morals, they differ. You said you're Christian...good for you. What about the other millions of non Christians out there? Don't they have morals too? I'm sure that they think they're doing the right thing too.
Wilshire: The man isn't always in the picture. Sure, he was involved in the initial two minute poke and hump but he can leave easily, with no physical reminder of that time, where as the woman wouldn't. In a perfect world, all children will have mothers *and* fathers that want them. Riiiiight... And the part that is being debated in courts is *when* life begins and humans are conscious (which is defined by being aware of your surroundings). Science hasn't proven it *yet* and religion...well, you can't explain things with it since some person from another religion will try to refute your argument.
IamAlia: I'm with you. And yes, I have breasts and a vagina so I should hope I'm female. Or you can say I'm a gay male trapped in a female's body...though that wouldn't really work...
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Post by Mark617 on Dec 7, 2003 1:56:44 GMT -5
good point about religion being weak argument. im raised catholic, but i dont really practice or believe it. though my morals, although differing in some points, does come a lot from catholicism. its good starting point. neways, an easy way to avoid abortion is for people in our society to cut back on premarital sex. that would eliminate a large portion of the abortions, and then we can debate about abortions for women whose lives are in danger or have been raped. because, in my opinion, those cases are the only ones that can be debated
*EDIT*hardy har
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Post by Wilshire on Dec 7, 2003 21:21:23 GMT -5
Wilshire: The man isn't always in the picture. Sure, he was involved in the initial two minute poke and hump but he can leave easily, with no physical reminder of that time, where as the woman wouldn't. In a perfect world, all children will have mothers *and* fathers that want them. Riiiiight... And the part that is being debated in courts is *when* life begins and humans are conscious (which is defined by being aware of your surroundings). Science hasn't proven it *yet* and religion...well, you can't explain things with it since some person from another religion will try to refute your argument. Life begins at conception. Even as a cell or two. Cells are alive, right? ITs not just whether its conscious or not, its the fact that there is, undeniably, human life present, and abortion prevents that life from developing further, or it ends it as it has already fully developed. |
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Post by Eskimo on Dec 8, 2003 17:59:00 GMT -5
Sarien:
I see what you mean. But even if an abusive parent has left you with emotional and mental scars, living is probably still preferable to death... and anyway in the end it all comes down to 'Can others decide if one's life is not worth living?' That's a question with only opinions, no real answers, so we'll just let the courts decide.
Next, as a Christian, I am bound to push my personal asshole ultraconservative agenda. ;D My point is that many Christians also feel this way and they will also fight for it, not because they think it'll go over great with everybody, but because they think it's right. Also, I wanted to say that not knowing what it's like to be pregnant or raise a child really has no effect on my viewpoint because it's so clear-cut.
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Post by IamAlia on Dec 8, 2003 20:46:42 GMT -5
Life begins at conception. Even as a cell or two. Cells are alive, right?. Sure they are, but wait, today I just killed several million cells wiping my desk down with alcohol, not to mention the some extra million by using my nifty anti-zit cream. obviously your talking an ENTIRE single entity rather than some random liver bacteria that makes up PARTS of humans, but I'm just trying to make a point. And in responce to Eskimo, Yes, I personally would agree that having a shit life is better than no life, but many people from abusive parenthoods become suicidal, and if they don't, abuse is a transferred trait, people who were abused as children often times become abusive even if the people who abuse them are not their biological parents. |
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Post by scott on Dec 8, 2003 20:59:19 GMT -5
People think if there are abortions there will be less child beating.Not true.
Since abortion has been legal there have been pleny more cases of abuse and beating among children.So abortion isn't helping the abuse.
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Post by Mark617 on Dec 8, 2003 21:05:16 GMT -5
People think if there are abortions there will be less child beating.Not true. Since abortion has been legal there have been pleny more cases of abuse and beating among children.So abortion isn't helping the abuse. exactly scott, abusive people like to control others, and kids (unfortunatly) are prime targets for them |
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Post by leprechauneddie on Dec 9, 2003 18:45:02 GMT -5
The only reason abortion is ever semi-justified is if and when the mother's life is at stake. A.) women are more useful than babies B.)what is the Goddamn point of 2 people dying instead of one? The Chaun condemns abortion in every case except this one.
Of course, one could counter the Chaun by saying that, if the child survived its mother, he/she could be the next Einstein. This would be valid if it were not far more likely that the kid would just turn into another Brian Welch, or something. Do you see the Chaun's point?
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