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Post by unojuno on Mar 3, 2004 17:23:30 GMT -5
I'd give Swanny a point for that one...
Now, sure, war can be justified. I dont think i need to give any examples other than the obvious of WWII. But i would say that the "war on Iraq" was not justified. And here is why:
The US came forward and stated that Saddam was a threat to the US and possibly the world. Many would back that up...with proof. ........... ............ .............................. ................. ........................ .................................. ..................... ........... Right. There really wasnt any. Only emotions planted by the government and the Media. The president, along with his cabnet, admit of lying to the WORLD about their resources and admit that their resources said that Saddam was a threat...but not the large on that was presented to the UN. Therefore, the attack was not justified in my book because the US LIED! A lie is a lie. If you wanted to blow him out so bad, at least tell the truth. No one should feed off of people's emotions.
Also, i would say that the Media is not Anti-War. The media has no real stance. If anything, they stand for war because it gives them something to cover and it secures their existence. The Media (in general) only acts at times "anit-war) because they feel they can "represent" a popular topic among people. ie, more ratings because the people are concerned.
That's all for now.
*Post 400*
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Post by JadeGriffon on Mar 3, 2004 17:46:27 GMT -5
if our job has just begun then why has president bush already declared that the war in iraq is over and the usa was victorious?? That's just the war in Iraq. The war on terror, however, is just beginning. And unojuno, I think the media does have a stance, though it depends what media source. Fox News is deffinently pro-war, but its one of the few. On other issues, different tv stations and newspapers can have a variety of stances. As a whole, the media doesn't have one stance, though it can on certain issues (I'm not referring to the war). I also don't think the media should worry about having nothing to cover and going out of business. There will always be a media, becuase there will always be sheeple who need the media to tell them what to think. |
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Post by Wilshire on Mar 3, 2004 21:49:45 GMT -5
True that. The media is liberal controlled. Liberal's aren't necessarily anti-war, but when they go to war they royally screw up. I honestly dont think any democratic candiate for the presidency would give a good g-damn if you died in Iraq. They would say its your own fault.
The media brings out the bad in the war. How much do you hear about people dying and how much do you hear about improvements in Iraq? And when there are improvements they make it sound as if the sucess is ambiguous. Every step of the way when the war began, almost every news channel and paper talked about how bad the hold ups were and how it could spell doom for the US. We kicked major ass, and still, every step of the way they have something bad to say. The media villifies Bush so much that he will have a hard time in the coming election. So the media brings out the bad in everything and amplifies it because thats what the democrats like to do so they can get votes...period amen.
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Post by scott on Mar 3, 2004 22:02:20 GMT -5
every step of the way they have something bad to say. Well with plenty of people dying every day I would say there would always be something bad to say. |
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Post by Megzymeg on Jan 4, 2005 15:05:36 GMT -5
Yes I am pretty sure that the world will never be a totally peaceful place.But that doesn't mean we can't try to make it a peaceful place.Why get use to war?We should strive to make the world peaceful,not just say 'oh well let's just get to war'. Who knows,but we could always try.I think if everyone just thought about what they were doing in a war and all that,who knows,maybe we wouldn't have wars. And who gave anyone the right to take another life? If we didn't have this war, Osama Binladin would continue to rape and kill inocent people. Were giving the people of Iraq freedom, and were giving them a democracy! We are trying to make the world a more peaceful place then it is. haha agreed  |
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Jan 4, 2005 16:48:30 GMT -5
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Post by scott on Jan 4, 2005 22:14:40 GMT -5
If we didn't have this war, Osama Binladin would continue to rape and kill inocent people. Were giving the people of Iraq freedom, and were giving them a democracy! We are trying to make the world a more peaceful place then it is. so...instead of Osama killing innocent people we are now doing that,jolly!and it doesn't look like we are giving them freedom,just breeding another generation of terrorists,yippie!making the world more peaceful by bringing death and destruction,sounds like a wonderful plan to me. |
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Jan 4, 2005 22:59:37 GMT -5
The problem is is that these terrorists are not just attacking us for the fun of it, like most people are told. They do it because they despise our materialsim, our greed, the fact that we're practicing a sort of neo-imperialist policy. Over there they prize things like spirituality and the family above all else, and they feel threatened by our seemingly heartless system. They see these attacks as a defensive measure, and that they will not attack any states that opt to discontinue the cultural invasion of their world. These were the very words of the terrorists. Therefore the fact that we are told to view this as an "attack aginst freedom, because they hate the fact that we're free" (which is completely silly, by the way) leads to us putting large sums of money up in the air for anyone who can snuff these people. Herein lies the big mistake. This tells them that we're not getting the message, and that we need to be further educated. This war and everything that goes along with it will only spawn more attacks, as we'll only push the fox further into its figurative corner. If this blind bigotry continues, there is a greater than 100% chance that there will be more attacks. But in summation, what I'm saying is that putting a 20 million dollar reward on Bin Laden's head is just proving them right. That we will do anything, kill anyone, in order to obtain monetary satisfaction. This above all is what pisses these terrorists off. They don't hate freedom, they're the ones who think they are free, and that they are liberating us from our tyrannical, corrupt system. What sucks is that they think killing a couple thousand of us and destroying a couple national monuments is the right way to go about it. It would be so much easier if these terrorists weren't such fanatic, belligerent dipshits. They're screwing themselves over, as we certainly would have listened to them more carefully if a couple of our journalists still had their heads. And now we're screwing ourselves over by continuing this "holy crusade" (by the way, Bush actually does think he's on a mission from God, said so himself) which is only going to lead to more bloodshed on both sides. There is no such thing as a war on terror. Terrorism is an ideology, a product of emotion and a sense of moral obligation. To try and eliminate terrorism could easily be compared to trying to eliminate greed. It's just a way people think. There's nothing you can do to stop it. So how far will this war go? Because things will not stop with Iraq, that is guaranteed. Next is Syria, then Korea, then anyone else who opposes our system of beliefs. This is a terribly tragic situation in which I side with no one, not them or us. I can only sit back wait for the leaders of both groups to maybe get replaced, so maybe sometime in the future diplomacy can sneak into the equation.
And please don't just read this and consider it liberal trash, because I really don't want anything to do with the liberals or the conservatives, I just form my opinions from pure observation. So honestly think about this before you reply with any spur-of-the-moment garbage about how Bush is only doing this for the good of all, blahblahblah, because his actions clearly state the opposite. If he wanted peace, the actions he has taken would contradict his intent. But he knows what he wants and he's acting to obtain those goals. Just think, first, then reply. Feel free to IM me if you want a two-hour long sociological/philosophical argument from me.
...........son of a bitch, I told myself I wouldn't do one of these again. Oh well. I'm hungry.
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Post by Swanny on Jan 4, 2005 23:11:41 GMT -5
^well spoken well....if the purpose of this war, was to stop OBL, then we've failed miserable, because we haven't captured him yet.  |
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Post by flamenco on Jan 5, 2005 15:38:20 GMT -5
so...instead of Osama killing innocent people we are now doing that,jolly!and it doesn't look like we are giving them freedom,just breeding another generation of terrorists,yippie!making the world more peaceful by bringing death and destruction,sounds like a wonderful plan to me. Its hard to find someone who will say that. but I totally agree with you. What good is democracy if no one wants it and you have to kill people to get it? Hot damn, its THEIR country, let them be communist or socialist or whatever the hell else there is to be...but thats the problem, everyone insists democracy is the way to go...everyone in the US that is...when everyone is starving and living in poverty 'let the best succeed' democracy crap doesn't sound so pleasant. If I was living under a bridge or about to die I would want to be communist...no freedom to do the profession you like but food on the table and a place to stay...this whole thing is worthless crap. |
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Post by Megzymeg on Jan 5, 2005 15:51:39 GMT -5
eer I knew I shouldn't have bothered   |
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Post by scott on Jan 5, 2005 18:40:05 GMT -5
eer I knew I shouldn't have bothered yep,no rebuttal.why?because you got...  poor kitty |
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Post by Megzymeg on Jan 6, 2005 9:59:47 GMT -5
yep,no rebuttal.why?because you got... no it's just pointless to even try. because im out numbered and even if i say anything your just going to write something dumb and say thats not true blah blah  |
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Post by Swanny on Jan 6, 2005 12:08:57 GMT -5
probably because it won't be true
oh yes, and how does it feel to be at a place not like church where you are completely outnumbered...
at youth group it's like me ashton adn scott against the world
so now it's your turn
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Post by Megzymeg on Jan 6, 2005 12:20:58 GMT -5
probably because it won't be true oh yes, and how does it feel to be at a place not like church where you are completely outnumbered... at youth group it's like me ashton adn scott against the world so now it's your turn stop pretending you know everything about politics |
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