Not Communisim

[NightOfBlades]

Mark617 said:

even small comune communities couldnt use it w/out breaking up from selfishness and infighting

But in earlier time periods, such as early middle ages up to the early 1900s, small communes existed and thrived for hundreds of years in the form of monastaries and abbies. Monks who lived there would all work together to grow food, administer aid, oversee cooking etc. etc. All jobs that needed to happen around the abby. And at the end of the day everyone, from the abbot himself, to the lowliest monk cleaning out the privvy, got the same thing: Three square meals, housing, medicinal treatment, and a supportive community. And that's not counting the people who where not actually part of the abby but lived near it and relied on it. Who contributed nothing but a loaf of bread when they needed some aid.

Even today the Jesuits and other religious orders today live together and support each other Monastaries have died out though as it became less likely that somebody would raid the town, and initiates into the orders dwindled (of course the Jesuits are not a great example because Ignatius was trying to move away from the sedentry way of life that had become the norm for the other orders, but it is true, to an extent.)

So communism can exist and thrive, it has, but it requires dedication and perseverence. Which becomes harder to find in every member of the group as it expands. Which makes it easier to exist and work on a small scale, but more difficult(exponentially, I would imagine ) as the size of the population grows.

Just my 2 coppers-- ;D

[Mark617]

the exception that proves the rule

[NightOfBlades]

Mark617 said:

the exception that proves the rule

Oooh... Quick post back. I'm confused, how does this prove that communism is "impossible"?

EDIT: I missed the "exception" part with my original post(I read it hasty) And yes, for communities greater than that of an average abby's(a couple hundred at the most) Communism doesn't work.

[Wilshire]

Communism, techically speaking, has never existed in any society larger than a small group of dedicated individuals. Where it was tried in secular societies, both small and large, it never suceeded. As for religion, those are "communist" in the true sense of the word, because in 'communism" the state is the religion, and the necessary dictator who holds all of the power declares it. But monestaries and such are based on a religion defined by God, and they see him, not a human person, as the one who makes the rules they live by. So there is a slight difference, making monestaries based on community and equality, but not "communism" the way it is defined as a political and secular establishment.

[Wilshire]

Aslo, nearly all forms of governments are ideals, meaning they can never exist in thier entirety.

True democracy is ideal, and even in the US today there is not true democracy becuase many exceptions are made. But it still holds and employs the basic doctrine of a democracy, like freedom etc...
Communism, when employed, is a direct contradiction. Its never holds its basic doctrine because not everyone is held equal, the masses are repressed by a powerful and often (almost always necessary when on a large scale) violent dictator.

[BELETH the Mighty]

Well that's the problem. The system is a beautiful idea, it's people that kill it. And a requirement for a successful Communist system is an unbiased, peaceful (preferrably sane) leader or leaders. A.k.a. no one who's overly religious, who shares some of everyone's views. Good luck with that though. *sigh*

[Mark617]

"exception that proves the rule," just alluding to the fact that most rules have an exception to them. just saying that even if there's exceptions, the rule still stands

[Wilshire]

well it doesn't work primarily because it is an ideal, and when its attempted to be put into action, it falls apart because it REQUIRES a leader with all the power because it simply has not, does not, and can not work without one.

[CrazyOldLuther]

Hey Guys! I got some CRAZY!!!!! new ideas that you're gonna love. The only way to get into heaven is to throw your feces at the devil!!! Also, tell everyone that they're already on their way to hell!!!! It's sure to win some people over to my religion (only the stupid ones though)!!!!!!! CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lord Mildrid the Nut Schlapper]

what the hell? I know the stroy of Luther and his fascinating trip to protestantism. Why are you spaming, don't post on this thread unless you have something to say about the topic. Vale.

[CrazyOldLuther]

Let's keep the talk to Communism. You see, I have this CCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRAAAAZZZZZZZZYYY idea that everyone shouldn't share money, but instead give it to me, since I am the one and only anti-Christ that claims to be able to save. CCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZYYYY

[Lord Mildrid the Nut Schlapper]

Same as before, answer my message. Why? Are you S.C.S.?

[lordpdiddy]

speaking of communism, i raped wuggies wife today.

[SpongeBob]

what is the marxisim... call me 248-638-9428

[William]

marxism-the original layout of communism, the idea of everyone in a community sharing all goods and abilities to benifit each other to their optimums...so that everyone is equally off and their talents are used to the fullest of their capabilities.

with a group of any humans this would not work, so they made some alterations to make this theorey into a semi-practical government form...now known as communism...