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Post by flamenco on Jan 7, 2004 19:55:48 GMT -5
william, i can see your views but ....i dont , i said i thought it was a great concept, but that it just doesnt work. and it obviously doesnt. i honestly hope you can be one of the very few people it does work for though.
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Post by Laura :-P on Jan 7, 2004 20:42:32 GMT -5
Maybe its just me, but I really am in favor for marriage. I know it doesn't always work out, but it IS a gift from god. Alot of important things are from the big guy upstairs you know. (cough cough like the earth, Jeus, salvation) but whats the point of a gift if its not cherished and treasured?
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 7, 2004 23:06:42 GMT -5
bob: "marriage is a privelage not a right" if you can show me a quote or something then ill believe... but i think you confused it with parents telling their kids the same thing about driving."
Sorry no can do, heard it on the news. Plua i didn't get it from parents telling their kids about driving.
But i can tell you that the concept of same-sex marriages was struct down in Massachussetes because "it is a privilege reserved for heterosexual couples." also: " Sen. Rick Santorum - It's not to affirm the love of two people. I mean, that's not what marriage is about.It's about uniting together to be open to children, to further civilization in our society." i think that's interesting to say. I don't understand why same sex marriages should be wrong. Could it be that by allowing same-sex marriages we would actually be validating two loving people who choose to be married who do not fit the religious right’s mold? Wouldn’t it be fair to give to all the same rights, privileges and responsibilities? It seems to me the answer should be yes but I’m not a politician or a member of the religious right. If you step back from your religion would there be any other reason why gays marriages are wrong, i mean can you prove this without using the fact that God told you so? I'm not sure if you can compare stealing with gay marriages. When you steal you take something away from another to benefit yourself, but in gay marriages what are you taking from the other person? I think this is an instance of mind your own business. You are not in their bedrooms when they are having sex so it doesn't quite concern you. Saying that it concerns you because your God doesn't allow Christians to do so, is like saying that I can't celebrate Ramadan because your God never mentions it in your Bible, therefore he doesn't allow you to do so. It's a case of yours and mine, how does my way of life affect yours? Also, if America is supposed to be the land of the free, then why must you deny personal freedoms to your citizens?
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Post by Wilshire on Jan 8, 2004 0:23:50 GMT -5
marriage is the legal, but also the spiritual union of a man and a woman (only a man and a woman , not two men or two women).
Unfortunately too many people marry for the wrong reasons or don't think hard enough about it before they do, and so a great number of marriages fall apart. But i know plenty of couples that are happily married. Just having fights doesn't mean one isn't happily married, every couple will have fights. But what is essential to a good marriage is true love, meaning one is willing to give more to the other than to himself/herself; essentially sacrifice.
The church wants people to be married for the right reasons and in the right way. But as said before, unfortunately that doesn't happen with many people.
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Post by bob on Jan 8, 2004 17:17:25 GMT -5
wilshire put it better than me. so listen to what he said. but, i do think that the senator was right in what he said, it is reserved for man-woman relationsips
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 8, 2004 18:21:49 GMT -5
wilshire put it better than me. so listen to what he said. but, i do think that the senator was right in what he said, it is reserved for man-woman relationsips Actually the senator said: "It's not to affirm the love of two people. I mean, that's not what marriage is about.It's about uniting together to be open to children, to further civilization in our society." He's not quite saying that marriage is for a man and a woman, you can infer that this is what he said. He's actually saying that the sole purpose of marriage is to further civilization. That's the only reason. Wilshire: " But what is essential to a good marriage is true love, meaning one is willing to give more to the other than to himself/herself; essentially sacrifice." So what, gay people can't sacrifice themselves and truly be in love? That's a tad bit selfish to say. |
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Post by bob on Jan 8, 2004 18:28:39 GMT -5
i think that may be taken out of context, because it needs to be read with the rest of the post in mind. esp. marriage is the legal, but also the spiritual union of a man and a woman (only a man and a woman , not two men or two women).
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 8, 2004 19:10:36 GMT -5
really I don't think it was taken out of context.
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Post by Mark617 on Jan 8, 2004 22:29:48 GMT -5
>:(Hmm, all those politicians say "marriage is a privilege not a right", yet they say all Americans are "created equal and should be treated equally" But then they don't accept homosexual marriages saying that it is unjust though they are "american". Unjust in whose eyes: THE LORD? But what happened to the First Amendment.. you know the one that states that everyone has the right to free speech and a right to practice their own beliefs (as long as they're not hurting other people). What ever happened to the seperation of church and state. Sometimes I don't understand Americans.. or any people that use something to benefit themselves then turn around and deny that right to others. By segregating gays, isn't tha displaying inequality and bias as well as unlawful segregation? when i'm 18 i'm gonna revoke my citizenship... or maybe not. Hmm, what do you think about my points? Be nice  O.K., first look in the constitution for seperation of church and state and it is not there. it doesnt exist, its just politically correct bullshit. im not saying religion should be the end all and be all of politics, but it will influence it in some way. also, you cant complain about what a politician in Massachusetts says because the first ammendment applys to him too. and what is revoking your citizenship going to do to help the situation? if you really care, then get involved and try to change something. that said, i do agree with you that homosexuals should be able to get married if they want. at least marraiges that are recognized by society so they get certain marraige benifits. but no religion can be forced to accept this. |
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Post by The Wanderer on Jan 8, 2004 22:33:47 GMT -5
On second thought, I've decided that I do not care about discussing this in the least.
Let's hear it for not giving a fuck!
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 8, 2004 22:38:39 GMT -5
On second thought, I've decided that I do not care about discussing this in the least. Let's hear it for not giving a fuck! LADIE FUCKIN DA TO YOU, I DON'T CARE! |
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Post by Mark617 on Jan 8, 2004 22:41:54 GMT -5
but religion (in some form or another, which includes being and atheist) is such a huge part of our lives is that it has to have some effect. religion is where most people get their morals and a general sense of where the world's going. religion is going to be a part of every part of life, its just the way it is.
in fact enviromentalism (sp?) is a religion in many aspects
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Post by DarkNightmare on Jan 9, 2004 14:00:40 GMT -5
follow that method of thinking, and soon every belief will become a religion. Consider this: When Shrine High has to take posters promoting a school function off of telephone poles because someone cried foul, separation of church (posters) and state (state-owned telepoles, apparently), then something so much infinitely larger, such as what simplybeingloved is saying, CANNOT be ignored. oh, hey, while i'm at it, Bob? you essentially said that two men and/or two women cannot.. what was your wording? ..."the spiritual union of a man and a woman (only a man and a woman , not two men or two women)." I present this to you: why not two members of the same gender? I too remeber hearing some bullshit about marriage being a privelage not a right. FALSE>>  scott, I've decided you need to make a more intense angry smiley, like an enraged smiley with fire around it... |
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 9, 2004 15:34:21 GMT -5
Really, somone on my side? YEA!! |
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Post by Wilshire on Jan 10, 2004 22:44:23 GMT -5
Marriage exists only between a man and a woman. There is legal sort of "marriage" which can exists between members of the same sex, but its not a spiritual marriage, and so its not really marriage. True love is manifested in the act of sexual intercourse and producing children. Same sex married couples can not do this: yes they are "married" in a sense under the law, but its not a true marriage.
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