simplybeingloved
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 6, 2004 6:16:32 GMT -5
Marriage is so overrated. I think marriage is just a piece of paper. What people want marriage to symbolize is love. Yet, people think that even if love wasn't completely there before the marriage, it definitely will be there after the marriage. But marriage never stopped ppl from cheating and getting divorced. Anyone else have any thoughts?.. care to shoot me down?
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Post by DarkNightmare on Jan 6, 2004 13:36:49 GMT -5
Nope, wrote an essay about that very same thing, supporting your/our argument. There really is nothing to marriage (in most cases, at least) anymore.
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 6, 2004 13:55:15 GMT -5
It's so sick how ppl just get married as a joke <cough britney spears cough> and think.. well hey if it doesn't work out i can just get divorced. It shouldn't get to that point. With that mindset no wonder the divorce rate is ridiculous!
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Post by DarkNightmare on Jan 6, 2004 14:06:16 GMT -5
what really sucks is being christian and wanting a divorce. you can technically do it, but the church doesn't recognize it unless they approve. If you say forget that, you are committing a mortal sin every time you sleep with your new spouse.
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Post by The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2004 17:10:59 GMT -5
what really sucks is being christian and wanting a divorce. you can technically do it, but the church doesn't recognize it unless they approve. If you say forget that, you are committing a mortal sin every time you sleep with your new spouse. I would totally say something right now. But I don't really feel like getting hated out by the ever watchful eye of "The Man."
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Post by flamenco on Jan 6, 2004 19:21:56 GMT -5
oh boy...this is a topic no one wants to hear my views on...but i guess its in dim the lights and theres a whole thread for it so i'll shoot.
my view on marriage isn't a positive view...why? because marriage is not positive except for maybe 0.9% of the people. i know in certain religions it is required and yadda yadda yadda...but it is pointless and stupid...you know why? it never works...look up statistics anywhere and over half of marriages end end divorce...the ones that don't end in divorce end up being miserable..trust me i have seen many marriages fall apart...and many that just..don't work. like 1 in 200 people are actually happy being married and it works out great for them...other than that it just sucks and the people either want a divorce or do get one....i think marriage is a great concept and a great idea...but it just doesn't work. it almost always ends up unhappy. like communism, greatest idea ever right? everyone is equal and happy...but it doesn't work does it? people are just more impoverished than before because of the greedy people that want power. ultimately marriage causes the two people to be angry and, why not just screw marriage so that you dont have to make anyone mad....
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Post by The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2004 19:57:17 GMT -5
Heh, I have some of the same views on marriage, though I'm not nearly so extreme as that.
But, I am going to be extreme and crude just for the hell of it, in saying this about the entire thing about the Church:
Fuck the Church. Fuck 'em, simple as that. All their laws and rules of sin and all that are bullshit. I'm not saying that anyone who listens to them is stupid or whatever. I don't judge people, I judge flawed institutions founded by people.
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Jan 6, 2004 21:43:12 GMT -5
Good to know I have another heretic on this site.
Anyway, marriage is basically a societal trend. I wouldn't get married for any other reason than so that my kid isn't harassed by his peers for having unmarried parents. Something that was only for the religious has become so commonplace and accepted that it is now the norm. Personally I don't support marriage, it costs too damn much.
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Post by Clump on Jan 6, 2004 23:26:32 GMT -5
Marriage "doesn't work" because people aren't tolerant of each other any more. I think that it's that simple. And flamenco, where did you get your statistics because I have seen many many happily married couples, and I've seen more happily married than I've seen divorced,
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Post by Mark617 on Jan 6, 2004 23:37:28 GMT -5
yeah, the statistics are a bit off, but i think you people are just being too pessimistic. the reason a lot of marriages dont work is that people get married for the wrong reasons. if you get married because your going to have a baby, its not going to work. its just a fact. the problem with marraige is not marraige itself, its the people in it. if the people werent in a bad marraige, then theyd just be in a bad relationship. so the answer isnt to stop getting married, its to be smarter about who you get married to. marraige doesnt have to be religious, but every religion is going to have rules for marraige and divorce; if you dont like it, then dont participate instead of bashing it.
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Post by William on Jan 6, 2004 23:38:49 GMT -5
I am one hundred and as much over that as possible precent in favor of marriage...
but as long as you dont defile or belittle it...as do (by the popular precent pulling out of my butt trend in this thread) 76% of all people it seems...
They say marriages suck because they never work, well the people that get married just suck at marrying people...simple...
marriage is not just a document...it is the forming of one person through God's eyes..."one flesh"...this also includes Sex, and the Sacrament...<<<ooh he said sex...
But people always rip on marriage, lets rip on brittney spears, or some other person that is much better to rip on than a very special act...
i think marriage is good, but it is very belittled and has come to mean little in seociety's views...
so it isnt marriage thats lacking, its people...
no offense...but the over 50% devorice rate now (i was most recently updated to 52%)...well...those 52% [glow=red,2,300]SUCK[/glow] at marrying people!
why you gotta hate?
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 7, 2004 2:34:53 GMT -5
>:(Hmm, all those politicians say "marriage is a privilege not a right", yet they say all Americans are "created equal and should be treated equally" But then they don't accept homosexual marriages saying that it is unjust though they are "american". Unjust in whose eyes: THE LORD? But what happened to the First Amendment.. you know the one that states that everyone has the right to free speech and a right to practice their own beliefs (as long as they're not hurting other people). What ever happened to the seperation of church and state. Sometimes I don't understand Americans.. or any people that use something to benefit themselves then turn around and deny that right to others. By segregating gays, isn't tha displaying inequality and bias as well as unlawful segregation? when i'm 18 i'm gonna revoke my citizenship... or maybe not. Hmm, what do you think about my points? Be nice
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Post by Sarien on Jan 7, 2004 17:24:29 GMT -5
Good points, but are you going to return to your home country to get stoned, Soli?
I think marriage is just to certify a union already recognized by the couple. Now Mr. and Mrs. Doe can sign as such and can get joint accounts and matching mamogrammed towels. But I'd be stupid to say that all marriages are founded on love. A piece of paper and a long ceremony really doesn't stop people from cheating. People might think they're in love or are forced to marry to prevent their children from carrying the social stigma of being a bastard or are even forced into the thing by an arranged marriage. I don't believe marriage is sacred or anything, just some legal crap. It's not even as damaging to your love life to have been previously divorced compared to how it was half a century ago. I might get married some day, provided I meet the right significant other (we all know how likely *that* is), and that there's enough of a foundation for commitment and whatnot, that we wouldn't want to kill eachother within two years and can settle fights easily (I'm that that blind that I'd think there would be no fights). But divorce wouldn't kill me. I might wonder where everything went wrong but life goes on. That doesn't mean I won't pull a "Thin Red Line" and destroy that cheating bastard's car with a fiery explosion.
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Post by bob on Jan 7, 2004 17:40:58 GMT -5
simplybeingloved, i have a lot of problems with what you said... first of all, who has said "marriage is a privelage not a right" if you can show me a quote or something then ill believe... but i think you confused it with parents telling their kids the same thing about driving. secondly, the reason that gay marriage is not allowed in this country, is that we live in a country founded on christian morals, and homosexuality is considered a sin, and we should not have to tolerate it, just as we dont tolerate stealing, or other such things. (ook maybe it was just two problems)
and everyone else (not william), marriage is not stupid. it is just ceremony... but like willy said along with sex, marriage is the formation of two becoming one flesh in the eyes of God... which brings me to my next point...divorce. a lot of people that get divorced get remarried, and possibly divorced again, in a seemingly endless cycle. why do you think this is? it is because people want to be married, they want to share a life with someone who makes them feel whole. unfortunatly, i believe that for the most part remarriages after divorces occur because people hurry to regain the good feelings of a previous marriage. just a thought.
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Post by simplybeingloved on Jan 7, 2004 17:42:38 GMT -5
i haven't done anything that would get me stoned. I'm probably never get married.. long time boyfriend for me (if that ever works out), unless mother has something to say about it. Anyways, i hate how society has bastardized marriage. Once upon a time it was a sacred once in a lifetime thing. Yet now it's a joke. Yeah, good for anyone who wants to get married and planned out their wedding when they were 6 (i know ppl like that), but i suggest that you better plan out 2 OR 3 of those "PERFECT ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME" weddings. Wouldn't want to give yourself false hope, now would you?
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