foehammer
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Post by foehammer on Feb 11, 2004 1:32:03 GMT -5
I hope I'm not just re-iterating another thread that died months ago (like my last post) but I'd like to hear how my fellows here view God. When I really think about it, I see a link between God and the power of positive thinking. If God is within us all, and God is love, then does He (or She) really need to be personified? Does He (or She) need to be worshipped/sacrificed to on a cyclical basis? I think not. Revering and respecting each other is the same as doing so for God, it just makes sense more to interact with people than with a spiritual force. To me, it does, at least.
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simplybeingloved
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Post by simplybeingloved on Feb 11, 2004 8:42:59 GMT -5
Okay, I'm a Muslim and I do not "worship" Allah, I acknowlege that He is a pat of my life and I pray once a day as opposed to 5 times. I try to follow the 5 pillars, but that's not quite working out. I also think tha God is a mixture of positive things, but only to those tha think taht He or some entity (i believe the entity) like Him exists. Other non-believers would think that God=bad. Put i'm just putting in my 2 cents.
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Post by William on Feb 11, 2004 14:52:30 GMT -5
I am a devout christian...
i believe in one God, with three distinct portions (not seperate, disticnt)...the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
The son Jesus came down from heavan, became a human...He fulfilled the propecies about him by the jews, and he was perfect. He never sinned, but was tempted by satan. He died through torture and then went to hell for 3 days, then rose to heavan. Making a pitstop on earth...this was an atonement for our sins...in other words, because we sin and are not perfect like we were made, death came. God took the death we deserved upon himself in the form of Jesus.
The father is the creator and the almighty. He created everything good, but nothing evil. evil is only the lack of him.
The holy spirit is God's gift to us. He lives within those who have faith. He guides us and chooses for us to do what God wants and to praise God and to love God.
I did not choose to follow God, the holy spirit entered me and chose to follow God for me.
I sin just as much if not much worse than everyone else, i just try to please God. and i repent of what i do wrong, and what i do wrong and do not know is wrong.
i do not hold anyone else to my morals or beliefs unless they proclaim to share the same beliefs.
my faith is truth, and the only truth, i will not compromise it so that it seems more logical to humans, or more fair, or more "right" to what i feel is "right".
I am not close minded, i will listen and consider everything you say, but i already know the truth...
Through faith (from the Holy Spirit) in Jesus christs death for our sins only, ONLY, can you have eternal life (heaven)
thats my belief...and i think if everyone acctually said what they believe, then this thread would be awesome...so im stoked (not stoned) for whats gonna happen...
I just ask that no one uses racial or religious derogitories in this thread, and no one says crap like "you just spit out what your parents told you to" or "you dont think for your self"...
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Post by bob on Feb 11, 2004 16:35:33 GMT -5
Kenny, you will never cease to amaze me.
As for myself, i am also a christian. I believe in the holy trinity, and that my salvation comes from the sacrifice of jesus christ dying on the cross. (i agree with everything kenny said basically, but he put it way better than i could have)
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Post by unojuno on Feb 11, 2004 16:56:49 GMT -5
I wasnt raised in a "Religious household." I was only given enough info so i'd know about others beliefs. So at a young age i knew about God and Jesus, but only their names. Only that such a name exists. Nothing more.
I was always given the opportunity to go to church. None of my family did, but friends of the family would invite me and, a couple times a year, i'd go just to check it out.
seventh grade was the culture shock. I had to learn (and was supposed to know) everything about Jesus and whatnot. Yeah, my religion grade was a C. but i learned what the Catholic Church had to offer. I never really adopted many beliefs except those that made sense from a non-religious view.
now i'd say i know more about the Catholic Church than most Catholics. I dont believe it, but i know it. And i have no trouble looking at other religions. To me, many of the "other" religions make more sense, logically.
I have found that many Christians cannot learn or discuss other faiths. This is because of a bias created from within. By being raised to believe in a faith, and later adopting that faith and fully believing it, many concepts in other releigions cannot be understood fully. These concepts are seen to be "wrong" or "weird." Though i feel that because i have never had such a bias, i do understand many of these concepts. I dont have to hold onto western or christian thought because there isnt any to hold onto.
Of course, i feel religion is great and a faith can help the soul. So a bias is fine, but should not be placed upon other religions. Only if you can rid yourself of this bias may you discover the wonderfulness of other thoughts.
I do not have a "faith" that can be labeled except what i create. And if other religions say i shall burn in hell for not doing things "the way God said", so be it. To live a moral life does not nesicarilly (sp) require a faith, but a clear conscience that sees the truth.
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Post by scott on Feb 11, 2004 17:31:28 GMT -5
I am a devout christian... i believe in one God, with three distinct portions (not seperate, disticnt)...the father, the son, and the holy spirit. The son Jesus came down from heavan, became a human...He fulfilled the propecies about him by the jews, and he was perfect. He never sinned, but was tempted by satan. He died through torture and then went to hell for 3 days, then rose to heavan. Making a pitstop on earth...this was an atonement for our sins...in other words, because we sin and are not perfect like we were made, death came. God took the death we deserved upon himself in the form of Jesus. The father is the creator and the almighty. He created everything good, but nothing evil. evil is only the lack of him. The holy spirit is God's gift to us. He lives within those who have faith. He guides us and chooses for us to do what God wants and to praise God and to love God. I did not choose to follow God, the holy spirit entered me and chose to follow God for me. I sin just as much if not much worse than everyone else, i just try to please God. and i repent of what i do wrong, and what i do wrong and do not know is wrong. i do not hold anyone else to my morals or beliefs unless they proclaim to share the same beliefs. my faith is truth, and the only truth, i will not compromise it so that it seems more logical to humans, or more fair, or more "right" to what i feel is "right". I am not close minded, i will listen and consider everything you say, but i already know the truth... Through faith (from the Holy Spirit) in Jesus christs death for our sins only, ONLY, can you have eternal life (heaven) thats my belief...and i think if everyone acctually said what they believe, then this thread would be awesome...so im stoked (not stoned) for whats gonna happen... I just ask that no one uses racial or religious derogitories in this thread, and no one says crap like "you just spit out what your parents told you to" or "you dont think for your self"... Wow,Kenny pretty much said everything that I would have said,nice job. I was raised Luthern,and will be till the day I die. |
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Post by Liek on Feb 11, 2004 21:01:23 GMT -5
I believe that there must be a God, this world and humanity could not exist without something to create it. Coincidence cannot explain everything that is. But other than that, I know nothing about God or any afterlife, because he has never spoken to me and I'm not dead.
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Post by The Wanderer on Feb 11, 2004 22:07:23 GMT -5
I'm a deist. Plain and simple folks. There's a universal, I guess you could say, power that binds all of reality. I believe in reincarnation and a great many other things that don't follow the Christian teachings I was brought up with.
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Feb 11, 2004 22:32:43 GMT -5
Well, I would have said something, but then I'd just be quoting unojuno, as our views are completely identical on this subject. Rock on.
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Post by leprechauneddie on Feb 11, 2004 23:41:57 GMT -5
The Chaun was raised a Catholic and is currently in his 11th year of Catholic school. If the Chaun does not go to church on Sunday, the Chaun's father (who, apparently, is more awesome than the Chaun) will castrate the Chaun.
After the Chaun's 10th year of religion class, he decided that most Christians are a bunch of hypocritical, half-assed believers who only believe so that they can get into heaven. Finding this to be both true and annoying, the Chaun would rather be something other than Catholic.
The Chaun is more Agnostic now than he is anything else, but there is faith that lingers. The Chaun cannot find proof of the existence of God, but, as the Chaun doesn't know any different, he believes that He exists and is keeping everything in check. It's a sort of personalized Deism, the Chaun supposes. God set everything to work, gave out guidelines and is currently letting evrything play out.
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Post by ♫MysteriousMan♫ on Feb 12, 2004 6:53:55 GMT -5
After the Chaun's 10th year of religion class, he decided that most Christians are a bunch of hypocritical, half-assed believers who only believe so that they can get into heaven. Finding this to be both true and annoying, the Chaun would rather be something other than Catholic. kind of like that, except i realized that in first grade. but since beliving has nothing to do with other people because it is personal, i don't worry about it at all. technically, i was raised and still am Christian, but I have long since stopped going to church and basically all the rituals have lost their meaning to me. Modern Christianity (not modern Christians) have lost all meaning in my books. I'm still working out my own ideas and beliefs, and I have sort of a mish-mash thing going on here. But let me tell you, theology classes in school aren't helping me that much at all.  |
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Post by Dirk the Canary on Feb 13, 2004 23:28:42 GMT -5
The Chaun cannot find proof of the existence of God. seems to me maybe you're not looking hard enough |
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Post by JadeGriffon on Feb 14, 2004 2:15:34 GMT -5
Rather than wasting my time and yours, I will just say that william's post is very close to what I would have said. There isn't anything there I don't agree with, and there is only a bit I will add. I was not born into a religious family. Well, my grandparents on both sides are devout Christians, but my parents and sister don't seem to have any sort of religion. My mom and sister both have buddha idols (which I am still debating whether to get rid of or not), but they have them more for luck than religious signifigance. They claim there is nothing wrong with having them. They apparently rub the idols belly for luck. This is worshipping a false idol in my oppinion, and thus wrong. Oh, I seem to have gotten off track and started rambling. Forgive me. Anyways, I don't dislike others because of their religion. If what they do religiously is wrong according to the Bible, then they have sinned. We all sin, so they are no worse then me (well maybe, if they sin more than me) and I will pray for their souls. Ok, I may have just wasted my time and yours, despite my first sentence. Oh well.
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foehammer
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Post by foehammer on Feb 14, 2004 13:10:46 GMT -5
Everyone lives at least for a little while!
I submit that the argument about proof of God's existence is way too subjective; one has to believe that one has found proof. You can look as hard as you can and still not find a thing, or something random can happen and you can attribute it needlessly to God (I'm not saying that's how it always is, I'm just saying is all).
Yes, there, I've gone and said it, as far as humanity is concerned belief in God or gods is subjective and so is any proof of their existence.
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Post by bob on Feb 14, 2004 21:23:26 GMT -5
so basically, to believe in God, you need to have faith
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