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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Nov 5, 2003 23:19:53 GMT -5
By telling everone that Saddam was linked to 9/11, that he had weapons grade plutonium, that he was hiding weapons of mass destruction, and that he's fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people, and for the safety of the world. All of those are straight, irrefutable lies.
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Post by xpPhantomX on Nov 5, 2003 23:22:52 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]ok maybe he did lie about some things.but he is fighting for the freedom of the iraqi people.once we get rid of all the followers of saddam.then the iraqi people will be much better off. it could turn out like south korea.it took like 4 or 5 years to have that problem solved.but now they economy is getting better every day. Seoul's downtown looks like detroit downtown but in much better condition. so iraq will turn that way too i hope.[/glow]
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Nov 5, 2003 23:47:56 GMT -5
As do I.
I just can't condone getting that result by killing tons of people.
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Post by scott on Nov 5, 2003 23:52:53 GMT -5
Two wrongs don't make a right...
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Post by Mark617 on Nov 5, 2003 23:57:25 GMT -5
ok, i thought u meant about vietnam.
though i dont think those were lies. the weapons of mass destruction was most emphasized because everyone could agree on it, but now it seems that intelligence may have been wrong. but they could easily be hidden where ever sadaam is hiding (syria, saudi arabia, somewhere in iraq, w/e). he may not of had the plutonium--i do believe he was looking for it. but i do think part of his reason for was for the safety of the iraqi people. another historical example of rebuilding a nation taking some time would be germany, italy, and almost all of europe after WWII. there was fighting similar to whats going on in iraq after that war also
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Post by xpPhantomX on Nov 6, 2003 16:35:20 GMT -5
good point mark.....but yes saddam could have moved the weapons of mass destruction.bush gave him many days before we attacked.saddam could have moved them.but i dont know.i still believe he has the weapons of mass destruction but he cant use them because he has no where to launch them from.
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Post by TheSilentDemon on Nov 6, 2003 20:43:52 GMT -5
Saddam has dick. the United States raped him of everything he had. damn proud of it too.
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Nov 6, 2003 21:10:03 GMT -5
Sure, he may have hidden them, but that’s the part we weren’t sure of. You said it yourself. So we invaded another country because of a hunch? If we really thought they had the weapons, why would we look into the matter now, 10 years after we told him to disarm? It’s because Bush was hoping for something like 9/11 to happen. Hell, maybe he and Bin Laden planned it together, like I said they have money ties. Unlikely, cuz Bush probably isn’t clever enough to plot anything schemish, but still a possibility. Plus, we were the ones who trained Bin Laden in military tactics in the first place. But 9/11 gave Bush a reason to invade Iraq. Since everyone was horrified at the time with the incident, they gave him the go ahead. Then when things started to cool down about 9/11, he used the reason of Saddam having WMD’s. Then when they couldn’t find any WMD’s he said it was for the people of Iraq. How suspicious……………
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Post by Mark617 on Nov 6, 2003 21:22:21 GMT -5
ok, usually ur posts r pretty intelligent, but that one was pretty bad. even suggesting something like bush helped plan 9/11 is just ignorant. but now ill concern myself with ur smart (even if i dont agree w/ them) comments. weve told sadaam many, many times to disarm, most notably clinton did and then bombed iraq for a couple weeks. problem is he never did. and we know sadaam has some sort of WMDs at some point, because he used them on the Kurds
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Post by scott on Nov 6, 2003 21:51:29 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]ok maybe he did lie about some things.[/glow] It's not like he did anything bad... [glow=red,2,300]but he is fighting for the freedom of the iraqi people[/glow] You mean killing innocent people? |
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Post by Mark617 on Nov 6, 2003 21:53:07 GMT -5
sometimes its innocent people, but not purposely. a lot better than what they had before
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Post by Mark617 on Nov 6, 2003 21:57:33 GMT -5
I believe it was an Iraqi shop owner who quoted “At least we had some order under Saddam. Now because of the Americans things are worse than before.” Just thought of this: the fact that he can demonstrate his disliking of american rule shows that iraq is better off than before. w/ sadaam in charge he would never say anything negative about the government in fear of sadaam. and if he did, then hed be tortured and killed. |
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Post by BELETH the Mighty on Nov 6, 2003 22:34:59 GMT -5
Okay, so the idea of Bush plotting 9/11 is really farfetched. Like I said, it was just a thought, I wasn’t stating it as a belief of mine or anything………
But I’d say we’re the bigger threat than Saddam’s weapons. Saddam knows if he used WMD’s to kill innocents, every allied country in the world would put a bounty on his worthless head. But you talked about Clinton bombing Iraq back when he was in office? In the name of peace, he bombed a plant that was making WMD’s. Problem was, it wasn’t a bomb-making plant. It was a factory that made aspirin. Many innocents died. Shows how reliable our intel is with those big ol’ weapons, doesn’t it?
I mean, the way I see it, this is kind of a reliving of WWII. See, back in the day, Germany was a leading military power. When Hitler started invading places and blowing shit up, the other countries wanted to tell him to stop, but used something called “appeasement” a.k.a. keeping their mouths shut, in hopes that they wouldn’t piss off Hitler and get invaded too. Well look at us today. The U.S. is the leading military power on Earth, and we felt like invading Iraq. Not everyone at the U.N. approved of it, especially France, who is one of the main five countries in the alliance. But we went ahead anyway without permission, and the other countries didn’t do anything about it out of fear. France spoke out against it, and sales of French products went down 25% in America, which is huge. Freedom Fries, anyone? That’s just a small taste of what happens to whoever disagrees with America, the land of peace and understanding. But anyway, no one had the courage to stop Hitler early on, and look what happened. 40 million dead from the war. Now no one’s stopping Bush, and when he’s done with Iraq, he’ll move on to North Korea, claiming they want to fire WMD’s at us too, just because they’re “dirty commies”. Then he’ll keep on looking for people who don’t agree with us. If we don’t speak out against him, more people will die. Now I’m not saying that he’s gonna kill 40 million people, or that he’s using eugenics or fascism, or that he’s a highly skillful military tactician, but the two cases are similar in the respects I mentioned.
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Post by William on Nov 7, 2003 1:07:31 GMT -5
sometimes its innocent people, but not purposely. a lot better than what they had before not on purpose, but he didnt avoid them either...he jumpped the gun, 2 months early...! and who are you to say whats better, are you an iraqi citizen? if not...then you are out of your element, if so, then you must be rich to have a computer, and to have stumbled upon sixswitch, in which case you have no frame of reference...go the dude! |
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Post by Mark617 on Nov 7, 2003 17:36:28 GMT -5
well, i guess i am making some assumptions....but living in a country ruled by a dictator (who has used WMD on his people, namely the Kurds) i would think is worse than living in transition before they can start ruling themselves, but thats my opinion. as for france being a "main" country in the U.N.: if they restructured the UN now and had the 5 strongest countries on the permenant security council spots, then france wouldnt even be considered--they have lost basically any power they still had after WWII, but theyre stuck in their spot in the UN for now. thats the first time ive heard "appeasment" used to describe the world's response to the US. really, i think we were appeasing iraq for 10 years while they flouted the UN's orders, and finnaly we put our foot down before Sadaam built up enough power to take on some other countries (maybe seems farfetched, but id rather take him out then wait twenty years to find out they do have the capacity)
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